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By Bob Abooey (Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 11:30:44 AM EST) I Like Ike! (all tags)
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Whilst sitting about watching the Foosball game yesterday at my buddy Marty Spozzerolia's house the conversation somehow came around to politics. Now - I know better than to discuss politics with most people as most people, from my experience, view their political party much like a rabid sports fan views their favourite team. All that matters is that they win (even if you should happen to cheat a little it's okay as the end will always justify the means) and anyone who likes one of the other teams is a retarded moron who is likely dumber than a box of granola.

This tack serves me well as I can sit back and ask leading questions ad infinitum without ever having to offer up my opinion on the matter. As such I get along with everyone while making a study of what makes the unwashed masses tick. Along those lines my buddy Will Ecklerly said "Hey Bob - are you going to vote for Hillary Clinton?" to which I replied "If I have to" (note the crafty response) which caused Marty's sister to wrinkle her nose and proudly proclaim she would never for that heinous Clinton scalawag. Meanwhile she's looking forward to voting for Rudy Gooliani.

Now personally I think Rudy is like GWB lite in most areas and frankly I find his usage of 9/11 as a political platform quite distasteful, and as such I can't wrap my brain around why anyone would vote for the guy. Sure, he's probably brighter than Bush, but what does it say about a guy who is smart yet seems to hold to the same ideals as a retarded oaf? Ipso Facto baby.

So I said something along the lines of "Yeah - Rudy sure is getting a lot of mileage out of the fact that he was Mayor of NY when it was attacked and thousand of innocent people were murdered." Meanwhile Marty's sister continued on about how much she hates Hillary. I then asked her what Rudy has done that would cause her to cast her vote for him. Her reply was "I just think he's a really smart man."

Now, both you and I know that this means she hasn't got clue one about what Rudy stands for and what his platform is. All she knows is that he was on TV alot after the 9/11 attacks and he said soothing things like "WE'RE GOING TO REBUILD NEW YORK AND MAKE IT BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE AMERICANS AND WE DON'T LET TERRORISM DEFEAT US." OF course Bozo the Clown could have been mayor and he would have known to serve up those exact same platitudes and he too, would now have a good shot at getting the GOP nomination for 08.

But more to the point this little exercise speaks to one major lesson that I, it would seem, have failed to learn. Mainly that I can't underestimate the ability of the unwashed USian masses to vote for someone who doesn't best serve the interests of the Americian people. When Bush was elected in 04 I was shocked that someone who was a massive failure as President could get elected, even though the alternative, one John Kerry, wasn't much of an alternative. But instead of learning the lesson I went into denial, I put my hands over my ears and shouted LA LA LA LA LA LA - like it didn't really happen or the next time it would certainly be different. But you know what? I was wrong. I don't know that it will be different, in fact if the 04 election were held again today it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the same results.

So there you have it.

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WIPO: Ron Zook by georgeha (4.00 / 2) #1 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 11:43:36 AM EST





Bro by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 12:15:50 PM EST
Which Bowl game will the Le Nittne Liones be playing in this year?

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Probably some second tier December 29th by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:08:34 PM EST
bowl in Alabama or something.


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I REST MY CASE by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:11:51 PM EST
~nice try~

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Take solace by jayhawk88 (2.00 / 0) #25 Tue Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:52 AM EST
...in the fact that OSU's loss opens the doorway for a Big 12 team either playing for the national championship, or more probably being shut out of the NC with a legitimate claim to it, furthering the downfall of the BCS.

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everyone's dumb by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 12:11:38 PM EST
since I'm sure the gooliani supporter would think you're a friggen retard for voting hellary.

Also, washpo had a great editorial 2 or 3 Sunday's ago about how gooliani isn't as liebral as pundits and he would have you think.



He's not liberal at all by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 12:30:02 PM EST
People tend to think that just because he married his cousin and he's not totally homophobic or completely against abortion.

re: See - I never said I was going to vote for Hillary. But more to the point - Bush has approval ratings in the lower 30's, leaving just the hardcore GOPers supporting him, meanwhile people are saying they'll vote for Rudi who, wait for it, has almost the exact same agenda as Bush! Now tell me that's not stupid.

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So you think Bush has completed his agenda? by lm (2.00 / 0) #14 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:13:46 PM EST
Bush isn't unpopular because of his stance on the issues. He's unpopular because he's messed up his attempts to enforce his policy stances.

For example, imagine for a minute that Bush was a military genius on par with Vlad Tepes and Alexander the Great and put not only toppled the Ba'athist regime in Iraq but also put in enough troops to stabilize the country and put into effect a grand Marshall style plan that was well on the way to making Iraq a liberal democracy while our troops were presently being drawn down. Do you really think the average US citizen would care that we were lied to over WMD?

And this is a bit of what Rudy offers to many people, not Bush's agenda done lite but Bush's agenda done right.

And it's also why I'm never going to vote for Kucinich. On most important issues, Kucinich and I are of one mind. But I trust him about as much to be competent at implementing policy as I do GWB. (And also, Kucinich is a whackjob.) I'd rather see someone I have serious policy disagreement with that will be competent at governance.


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Well by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #15 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:35:37 PM EST
The truth of the matter is that there is no way to win the war on terror. Just like the previous wars that went before it, war on drugs, war on poverty, war on crime, war on etc etc. To me that's a failed ideal. Hiding behind political rhetoric to pursue your own agenda - i.e., spreading democracy across the world by bombing other countries is all they're doing there and Rudy seems to "stand" for all the same crap - same failed ideal that gets spouted over and over because some idiots will fall for it and vote for them.

Meanwhile Rudy seems to stand for the same policies that GWB couldn't push through, not because he's a failed leader, but because they're bad or poorly implemented ideas. Rudy's plan seems to be lots of smoke and mirrors - I'll cut taxes and be responsible when it comes to spending!! - I'll fix the health care problems by cutting taxes and empowering patients! Blah. Even Romney has a real plan, as misguided as it is.

Regarding Kucinich - sure - I could never vote for him either - but's he's my favourite congressional nutter at this time.

Warmest regards,
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Wilford Brimley by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 01:46:40 PM EST
See this thread. Especially Mr Canuck's perspicacious comment.

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Did you vote for Kerry in 04? by joh3n (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 01:55:32 PM EST

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Who me??? by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #13 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:13:37 PM EST
Good gravy of course I did. It wasn't like there were any other viable options to defeat GWB.

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Ahem by joh3n (4.00 / 1) #16 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:58:46 PM EST
"I can't underestimate the ability of the unwashed USian masses to vote for someone who doesn't best serve the interests of the Americian people."

That places you in the unwashed masses category.  You voted to keep someone out, not to put someone in who you thought best for the job.

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I don't make the rules by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 1) #17 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 03:16:15 PM EST
I just play by them.

It wasn't like there were any other viable options to defeat GWB

The key word or phrase in that sentence is viable. Given that the majority of the unwashed masses vote their party line there were only two people who had a chance of becoming President in 04 - Bush or Kerry.

Now you may want to live in a fantasy world and imagine that this is only the case because people think it's true - and if we lived in some Utopian society where parties didn't exist and each person voted strictly on the issues then I'd be on board with you, but the truth is the system, as it's in place today, doesn't work that way.

That said - a strong independent candidate can have an influence in the election by taking away votes that would have otherwise gone to one of the two primary candidates - see Ross Perot as an example.

To summarize - a vote that didn't go to Kerry in the 04 election was a vote for Bush. Q.E.D.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

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You win by theantix (2.00 / 0) #7 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 01:55:52 PM EST
"Sure, he's probably brighter than Bush, but what does it say about a guy who is smart yet seems to hold to the same ideals as a retarded oaf?"

Best comment on Rudy I've heard to date.  Well done sir!
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Retarded oafs by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #20 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:46:22 PM EST
It's not hard to find a retarded oaf who believes in almost any particular position.
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Sure by theantix (2.00 / 0) #24 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:29:06 PM EST
But it was funny the way Bob said it.
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Cool, nice to see . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:01:56 PM EST
. . . that you included Ron Paul.



woohoo gold standard! by garlic (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:06:56 PM EST


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You only _think_ by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 02:05:03 PM EST
We're not looking.  Checked youtube recently?




Rudy Giuliani by duxup (2.00 / 0) #18 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:03:04 PM EST
Your description seems apt, particularly when it comes to Giuliani.  At least with the other candidates I could hope that the reason they picked a or b was for some reason (nice hair would suffice). Giuliani, I don't see the appeal, well I don't see any reason.

If I recall correctly he was recently caught in a lie where he talked about before 9/11 he was all knowledgeable about terrorism and such . . . then someone found his testimony before congress when he said he had absolutely no clue before 9/11 about who in fact these people were who attacked and what their problem was.
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Speaking of lies by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #19 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 04:28:04 PM EST
Go to his Wiki entry and scroll down to the Preparedness section.

Course one has to keep in mind that Wiki isn't hardcore journalism and may or may not be factual. Still - it fits in with my impression of him.

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Indeed by duxup (2.00 / 0) #21 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:06:53 PM EST
Heck on that very day when he was giving an interview about how he watched the towers go down I kept thinking.

"Why the heck is that center inside a target that has already been attacked!?!?" 

I never saw the news pick up on it but wtf?  There had to be at least a couple less obvious buildings in NYC that they could find to put that thing under.
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Aye by Bob Abooey (2.00 / 0) #23 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:27:50 PM EST
Like some special underground bunkers...

Still - it's just slimy the way he's trying to pawn it off as a decision of someone else. Some kind of hero..

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I can't believe by barooo (4.00 / 1) #22 Mon Nov 12, 2007 at 05:14:40 PM EST
that Ron Paul isn't ahead by like 179,313 votes.



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