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By nebbish (Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:31:18 AM EST) (all tags)
That I'm doing Christmas dinner this year. It's my first time.


Not too worried because I do a roast most Sundays. Here's the plan:

Lamb - I find the timing difficult with chicken. Turkey just sucks. Mum and dad have old people dietary requirements and can't have too much fat, so duck or goose is out. I'm not sure we're middle-class enough for goose anyway. Also, I really like lamb.

Roast potatoes - I'm quite good at these. My recipe is a cunning blend of Herring's (cheers mate!) and Hugh Fearnley-Fuckface's. One set will be done in dripping or goose fat, the other in groundnut oil due to awkward vegetarians.

Squashes - just discovered roast squash (pumpkin things, not Kia-Ora), it rocks. Acorn squash is the nicest.

Carrots in orange - my dad can do these, he's good at them (I have been told that family members will help as needed).

Sprouts - my mum can do these, along with other vegetables.

Disgusting veggie roast thing - my sister can do this.

Stuffing - this will be a first. Should I go for packet, or has anyone got any recipes?

Any other suggestions? I'm doing a roast on Sunday so I can try stuff out.

Gravy tactics would be handy, I can never quite get it right.

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stuffing by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #1 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:39:37 AM EST
Make breadcrumbs out of old bread (hard, not mouldy). Chop shallots, as many as you want, melt them in a frying pan a bit and add them in. Add in , thyme, salt, pepper. Normally I also tear up some fresh sage too but I'm not sure that goes with lamb. I add a slug of olive oil to moisten it - you can use butter - and water or a light stock. Put it all in some kind of ovenproof dish and cook it alongside food for the last 30 mins.

Have no stuffing rather than use a packet.



This is good by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #7 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:54:01 AM EST
And the ingredients are easy. I'll try it out next week.

Can you give me some rough ratios?

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um by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #8 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:57:30 AM EST
Not really. I start with 'how much bread' and then add the others until I think it smells, looks and tastes right. Sorry:(

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Don't be sorry by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:58:59 AM EST
I'd rather that than precise weight!

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Poultry by Herring (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:39:55 AM EST
Meat thermometer. Especially with a turkey. I's a fine line between dried-out crap and salmonella.

I do like lamb a lot though. Rosemary & garlic. I have seem a recipe that involves inserting anchovies (I reckon freeze them first to make insertion easier), but Mrs. H. is not a fishy person so I've never tried it.

I must practise my gravy. I'm not very good at it either. People will forgive you for packet gravy at Winterval.

I'm English, and as such I crave disappointment. - Bill Bailey


oh gosh by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #3 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:44:11 AM EST
Adding mushed-up anchovies to a stuffing to serve with lamb instead of adding salt would be fantastic.

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Salt's another no-no with the oldies by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #4 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:50:36 AM EST
High blood pressure runs in the family (so maybe I should cut down too).

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hm by Merekat (4.00 / 2) #5 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:51:55 AM EST
You need some kind of sharp note though. Perhaps throw in some lemon juice.


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I met get a meat thermometer anyway by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 08:52:16 AM EST
But I think I'll go with lamb. Rosemary definitely, but I fear garlic may be a bit too "continental".

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Look, we know you're British by notafurry (2.00 / 0) #31 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:15:01 PM EST
But there's no need to overdo the horrible food thing, all right?

Garlic is required. Without it, you have bland meat with rosemary. Bah. A little garlic will punch it up a bit without being spicy or making it difficult for older digestion to handle.

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Personally by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #39 Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 08:50:23 AM EST
I don't think garlic goes very well with lamb at all. They have a similar "nose" after you've done the chewing and it clashes.

There you go, I can be a foody wanker if I swallow my pride :)

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Anchovy in lamb by gazbo (4.00 / 2) #14 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:32:46 AM EST
That's so fucked up it might just work.  I'm going to try that at the weekend if I remember.

"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch

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I'm a big fan of lamb by lm (4.00 / 1) #10 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:16:00 AM EST
Rather unfortunately, though, no one else in the immediate family likes it. A Greek friend of mine just clued me in to a lamb recipe that involves slow cooking it on the grill. I may try this regardless of the opinions of the rest of the family.

The holiday meals I miss the most are the ones that would take place on my dad's side of the family when his mother was still alive. Coming from a family of small game hunters, the table was always set with an overabundance of various meats: squirrel, wild turkey, pheasant, rabbit and, when someone got lucky lucky, venison.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic


Oh wow by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:21:47 AM EST
Selection of game for Christmas dinner would be amazing. I have had game very, very infrequently - I think I've had rabbit a couple of times, pigeon once and never had pheasant. Or squirrel for that matter.

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If you want pheasant. by anonimouse (4.00 / 2) #27 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 01:54:44 PM EST
I'll run over one for you. I'm tired of trying to miss the dumb bastards.

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Gravy by wiredog (4.00 / 2) #12 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:24:38 AM EST
First, make a roux. Equal parts oil (butter, or olive oil) and flour.  Heat oil, stir in flour.  After about 30 seconds the flour taste is gone.  As the flour cooks it loses it's thickening ability, but gains a nutty 'cooked' flavor. 

Assuming a basic white roux, 2 tbs roux will thicken up about a cup of liquid.  Slowly add hot liquid to warm (not hot, else you get steam explosions) roux, stirring frantically. 

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I'll try this by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:37:19 AM EST
It's thickening agents that I have difficulty with.

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Roux is the classic. by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #19 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:07:04 AM EST
Easy to use, once you're familiar with it.  Just take your time when first using it. 

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Poultry and stuffing by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 3) #13 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:31:41 AM EST
If you brine a chicken (only needs 1 hour) or turkey (needs about 6 hours), you can overcook it and nobody will know because it will still be juicy as hell.

World's Best Stuffing:

1 lb bacon, chopped into 1/4 inch strips
6 medium onions, sliced thin
1 tsp salt
2 Granny Smith apples, peeled, cored and cut into 1/2 inch cubes
1/2 tsp black pepper
1/2 cup fresh parsley leaves, chopped fine
3 Tablesspoons sage leaves, shopped
12 cups dried French bread (1 lb loaf chopped)
1 cup chicken stock
3 large eggs, lightly beaten
butter

cook bacon.  drain all but 3 tablespoons of grease.  cook onions and 1/4 tsp salt in bacon grease.  cook until deep golden brown.  add apples and cook 5 more minutes.  mix eggs and stock.  toss all remaining ingredients in a large bowl and pour egg and stock mixture over them.  put in oven-safe dish, pat with butter to taste, bake at 350 F for 30 mins or so.

clock and i discovered if you pour scrambled eggs over the leftover stuffing and bake again, it makes an awesome breakfast strata.




That sounds delicious. by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:40:34 AM EST
I'm going to give it a try the next time I roast a chicken.
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This is another one to try out [nt] by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:58:39 AM EST

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Poll should be multi-select by Phage (4.00 / 2) #17 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 09:49:27 AM EST
<burppphhh>

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Every year I do a duck by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #20 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:10:34 AM EST
for Dad and me.  1 duck is enough for 2, with some leftovers for the next day. Usually enough leftovers for soup.

It's not at all greasy if cooked properly. 

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



Gravy by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #21 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:29:52 AM EST
Let the roasting dish cool, and scrape off the fat that hardens into a white layer above the meat juices (for lamb only as it's usually too fatty otherwise).  Doesn't matter if you don't get it all - it's delicious tasty fat and I often leave about a third in the dish.

Pour some wine in (about half a cupful, red for red meat, white for chicken and turkey) and a pint of water, then put the roasting tin on a low heat on your hob.  Scrape the crunchy bits off the bottom of the pan, you might have to keep doing this as some bits can be stubborn to get off.

When all of the juice and fat has melted and the gravy is simmering, stir in plain flour (slowly or it'll go lumpy) with a whisk until the gravy is thickened - as it cools it will get thicker so judge the flour accordingly.




Ah this is my method by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #22 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 10:59:57 AM EST
And it always, without fail, goes tits up at the thickening stage and goes all lumpy. I've ended up having thin gravy instead, but I think I'll try wiredog's roux method.

I use more wine and less water than you :)

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lumpy? by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #24 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:04:33 AM EST
Stir faster:)

Alternatively, mix a bit of cornflour in cold water first to get rid of lumps and use that as the thickener. It can sometimes 'taste' a bit though if you use too much.

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Yeah I'm not sure about cornflour by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #25 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:26:48 AM EST
It does have a flavour (sorry that sounded a bit lolcats)

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flour lumps by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #28 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 02:44:41 PM EST
you can also add water to your flour before adding to the roaster. Stir/shake the hell out of it for as long as you need.

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That usually means by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #37 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 07:07:12 PM EST
You're adding the flour too quickly, or don't have the bouillon at a high enough heat.

Go slow with the flour, and don't be shy with the whisk.  If I've not had to fluff out a couple of lumps with the whisk i'm usually surprised.


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Don't wait for the dish to cool by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 2) #23 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:00:59 AM EST
Use ice. The fat sticks to the ice. Scoop it out. Any melted ice doesn't matter as you'll be adding water anyway.

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Today I learned a new thing by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #33 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 04:31:52 PM EST
I'll give that a bang next time up.  Does it not spit when you put the ice into hot fat though?


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I love both of you and want to have your children. by greyrat (4.00 / 1) #35 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 04:44:51 PM EST
I usually remove the fat hot often with a siphon. I think that makes deglazing with wine much easier. Also, although this belongs on wiredogs thread, I take the flour and add water and/or wine in a jar with a lid. I then shake the holy fuck out of the jar to thoroughly mix the flour and liquid. This avoids the complexities of making a roux (which I do for Béchamel) and still avoids lumpy gravy.
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Should I bring by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #36 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 06:51:27 PM EST
Red or white when I come over to your place this Sunday?


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Yes. by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #38 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 10:29:43 PM EST

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No by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #40 Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 09:15:07 AM EST
Since you've got meat juices in the pan which includes water, it's obviously < 100C. The ice is not going to spontaneously boil.

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I'll call you from casualty.... by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #41 Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 11:22:06 AM EST
NT


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Casualty is especially crap over Xmas by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #42 Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 12:13:09 PM EST
If "Casualty" Xmas specials are anything to go by.

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graaavy by R343L (2.00 / 0) #26 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 11:36:25 AM EST
Nothing to add to the method per se, but if you have vegetarians, you might try a miso gravy. I've been meaning to try one as I'm all veggie now, but haven't (I don't exactly cook a lot of foods that require a gravy, except mashed potatoes, which I'm generally fine with just butter).

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Gravy by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #29 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 03:54:40 PM EST
I'm a cheat, but I get good flavour to my gravy by pouring off some of the meat fat into a decent pan (I have heretical views on this front) and making a brown roux in that, that is, one where I cook the flour until nutty coloured, then add liquid to stop it cooking before adding the juices from the roasting pan, and then deglazing the pan into the gravy.

So, I agree with everyone else, except I say really cook the flour in fat before you add wet things.



Gravy Confidential by crux (2.00 / 0) #30 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 06:51:33 PM EST
I (well, really some helpful dude on YouTube) give you:

Part One
Part Two



Sprouts by Dr Thrustgood (4.00 / 1) #32 Fri Dec 14, 2007 at 07:20:24 PM EST
Steam 'em and suddenly find yourself enlightened: "Wow, these fuckers can have flavour!"





ObPoll should be multi-select. by greyrat (2.00 / 0) #34 Sat Dec 15, 2007 at 04:34:03 PM EST
And make stuffing. You can get bread crumbs for stuffing packaged at the store, but don't but a packaged mix. I'll see if I can dig up and post the awesome stuffing recipe msrat found a few years ago. N.B. it's best with turkey.

RE Gravy: Use the drippings from your roast, of course, and remove all fat from the drippings before cooking down and adding flour.
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