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By dmg (Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:11:54 AM EST) (all tags)

Is this the face of dissent in the modern UK?

I would have a bit more respect if people stopped moaning and making ineffective gestures, and started doing something useful.

There is a limit to the retarded approach of the police to such direct action. Will we see cameras pointed at the cameras pointed at the cameras?

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Yep by gpig (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:16:46 AM EST

It's a shame people don't have anything better to do than complain about speed limits which are too high anyway. Remember, driving is a privilege, not a right.
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If they were too high by dmg (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:18:54 PM EST

Hundreds of thousands of people would not break them every day despite the threat of draconian penalties. All the evidence suggests they are too low by approx 20%.
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Unless people are stupid. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #7 Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:58:33 PM EST

Or poor at assessing risk, as in this case.

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Do we live in a democracy or not? by dmg (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:17:56 PM EST

Don't bother answering that one!
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Oh yeas by dmg (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:19:33 PM EST

Cameras do not improve road safety. FACT.
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Safespeed, by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:38:09 PM EST

Pedlars of fact-free junk statistics that pander to the base motives of newspaper advertisers and their lazy poor risk assessing miniscule-thrill seeking readers.

Newspapers sell car ads, car ads sell the dream of the open road, rubbishing speed cameras perpetuates the myth of the open road.

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Maybe. by dmg (2.00 / 0) #11 Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:17:25 PM EST

But it is a fact that speed per-se does not kill, and the driver is best placed to make the judgement. Motorways are the safest roads after all...
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: But it is a fact by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #13 Mon May 05, 2008 at 03:09:47 PM EST

that speed per-se does make any given crash more likely to kill someone.
And another fact that drivers vastly overestimate their own skill.

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The very idea of a speed limit is slightly mad by Alan Crowe (4.00 / 1) #12 Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:27:37 PM EST

On a long journey you meet varying driving conditions. In one part of the country you may halve your speed in response to very heavy rain and poor visibility. Never mind. 100 miles further on you may find the traffic lighter, the road dry, the sunshine bright, and make up some of your lost time.

Speed limits are a compromise. If they were set low enough that it was always safe to drive that fast even in the worst of conditions the idea of a mandatory maximum painted permanently on a sign would be discredited. So they are set "too high". Road safety continues to depend on the common sense of the driver, slowing below the limit when it is dark, the road is busy, the rain is pissing down.

What do speed limits do? They forbid you making up lost time in good conditions, but permit excessive speed when conditions are poor. If speed limits are not to have a detrimental effect on safety we are depending on drivers being mature enough to drive below the limit when conditions are poor. But if they can do that, why have speed limits at all?

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If they were too high by gpig (4.00 / 1) #14 Mon May 05, 2008 at 03:18:55 PM EST

thousands of people would be killed in road accidents every year.
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Define 'accident'. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #15 Mon May 05, 2008 at 03:26:36 PM EST

What level of negligence does an accident involve?

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I don't know by gpig (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:10:58 PM EST

and it wasn't relevant to my point.

Substitute 'incident' if you like -- what I was thinking of was that if cars go slower, there will be fewer road deaths, even if there are the same number of collisions. This applies especially to collisions involving pedestrians or cyclists.
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: I was being pedantic, by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #17 Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:16:26 PM EST

and agreeing with your point.
I like the word 'crash', which pretty accurately describes any injury-causing incident, or 'collision', like you used. Neither of them are awkward or pretentious. Unlike the current mood I'm in. <sigh>

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What exactly are they dissenting? by laffnowcry (4.00 / 2) #2 Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:54:50 AM EST

traffic laws? Cameras?

Clothes by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:13:36 AM EST

No trouser.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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I think its just general impotent rage... by dmg (4.00 / 1) #6 Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:21:26 PM EST

The authoritarian government of the UK no longer even pretends to listen to the proletariat, so they are reduced to expressing their disenfranchisement by mooning, or binge drinking, or leaving the lid of their bin open wider than the regulations allow.
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: I suppose that could be impotent rage by laffnowcry (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:23:44 PM EST

or just boorishness?

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First they come for your guns by Rogerborg (4.00 / 4) #4 Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:16:59 AM EST

Then they make you late for interviews.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.

I don't like pants either by duxup (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:12:48 PM EST

but I'm not going to horrify people by showing them my ass.
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